Here are parts of the police interview transcript from the third day’s hearing:
●“I want to give you all the information I know. To be frank I am extremely tired and drained. It’s possible I’m going to forget things.”
●“These two Indonesians ... both of them died, both of them I’ve killed ... There are no other victims.”
On Sumarti Ningsih:
●“I know her as Alice. I forgot her Indonesian name.”
●“Initially she was just tied up, giving me oral sex ... Over the course of the evening I started to actually hurt her by hitting her with a belt, and restrain her in various positions. I progressively hurt her worse and worse. I took a kitchen knife and threatened her physically. I threatened to kill her if she didn’t do everything I said. She was obviously very scared.”
●“I restrained her arms with a belt. I forced her to bend over the toilet on her arms and knees. She was on the ground. From behind her I held her hair, with a knife from the kitchen I cut her throat. She made no noise. She didn’t cry. She was bleeding on the floor ... I used the knife to cut as deeply as I could, into her artery. She died quite rapidly once I did it.”
●“Once I had killed her, after taking more cocaine, my initial response was to jump from the balcony.”
●“When she was inside my apartment, she was in my full control.”
●“After the first hour, it was without her consent. After the first hour, she was more than willing to leave.”
●[Police: “Why didn’t you let her go?” ] “Because I was deriving very extreme satisfaction ... pleasure from her being physically restrained.”
●“I didn’t sever her head but I probably half severed it.”
●“She made no noise, she made no noise. I held her mouth very tightly. She was very small.”
●[Police: “Why did you do that to her?”] “It’s a question I think I will always ask myself.”
●“I was thinking of a way to let her go in a way that it would not be traceable to me. Clearly if I let her go I would be caught, or I would have to kill her. These are the two options I saw.”
●“I wasn’t in a state of thinking properly. It later became inevitable that I had to kill her. Thinking back to it, I don’t think I can fully explain that.”
●“Before I met her that day, I absolutely had no plans at all, no plans to torture her.”
●“Progressively I went from hitting her quite lightly to hitting her quite hard to abusing her very badly. I think she felt the threat of death. It escalated. It got out of hand.”
●[Police: “How did you confirm Alice was dead?”] “I didn’t. Her face was completely white. She was not responsive. I’ve never seen a dead body.”
●“I had done something which I had never done before ... I realised I enjoyed it ... a sense of enjoyment I’ve never had. It made me realise I was going to do it again. This was not going to be a one-off thing.”
●“It had awakened a part of me that I never realised existed.”
●“I didn’t meet Alice with the intent of killing her.”
●“Why her? She was unlucky to be the person who was in my flat when I realised physically hurting someone while I was under cocaine was what I would gain satisfaction from.”
●“I did actually like her. She was the kind of girl I’d have a proper relationship with.”
On Seneng Mujiasih:
●“I apologise. I don’t have the name of this individual. I didn’t hear her name.”
●“I had a moment when I didn’t want to go through with it.”
●“Sitting on sofa, she saw I had put a rope there, which had a home-made gag attached to it to gag her. She saw it and realise what it was. She started shouting in a language very loudly. I had put on the side of the sofa two knives which I intended to threaten her with, to force her to stay captive. Once she started shouting I took the large knife and force her down on the sofa and held the knife to her throat. And I told her I was going to cut her throat.”
●“She was very brave ... She was struggling, she was resisting, she was shouting. In the course of that I cut her, I used all my force to cut her.”
●“I don’t recall how long it took her to die.”
●“This girl, I don’t know why I chose her. I’ve never met her before. She was, at that point in time, she was simply prey ... I was hunting for prey.”
●“I needed to recreate her being imprisoned by me. There was this hunger, urge for that.”
●“For a short period of time the human side of me kicked in. I knew that was wrong. But that lasted briefly, a few minutes. I did some coke and that side of me just went.”
●“There was an impulsive desire to hurt her.”
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